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Mar 17, 2017

Episode 17 - The Ramshackle Resistance Podcast

Recorded: March 15th, 2017. We didn’t have a plan for this one, which feels like meta-commentary on what Tyler eventually came around to calling “the resistance”. Sometimes - most times - it’s important to just do stuff.

The Hari Kondabolu Trump Reminder Schedule is in effect every day at Kondabolu’s twitter.

Example tweet:


Some digestible data on just who TrumpCare/WealthCare/RyanCare hurts and helps (hint: it hurts a lot more than it helps):

The Carrie Brownstein quote Tyler butchered, from the Hell No benefit show at Portland, Oregon’s Crystal Ballroom in February:

"It's important to remember that resistance is a body," Carrie Brownstein said during Sleater-Kinney's electric closing set. "We can't all be the heart, and we can't all be the vascular system, but together, we make a whole body."

A justifiably sassy headline from CNN on Sean “Spicy” Spicer’s spin moves:

Spicer: Trump Didn’t Mean Wiretapping When He Tweeted About Wiretapping

Scottish Government To Seek Independence Referendum Over Brexit

Unsurprisingly, Theresa May has some tone-deaf stuff to say about it.

Theresa May actually said this today. I had to read it twice to make sure I wasn't missing anything #Brexit #irony

Soviet Soviet‘s “official statement” is a well-written explanation of how a band coming to play a show for no money gets jailed and deported under the auspices of illegal immigration. :(


Full show notes available at

Intro song: Parasite by Lamprey - Creative Commons (CC BY 4.0)

Feb 28, 2017

Episode 16 - Platform Pod 6 - Great American Families, Education, Healthcare, and Criminal Justice

Recorded August 11, 2016.  Definitely (in our humble opinion) worth a listen now. It’s like a play-by-play of the legislation under the current president.

The Family Research Council - which is labeled an extremist group by the Southern Poverty Law Center - has a strong interpretation of studies of children with same-gender parents. It’s not universally accepted, there are a lot of studies whose authors conclude there’s no significant difference or detriment to children raised by gays or lesbians:

2013: World’s Largest Study Of Same-Sex Parenting Finds That Children Are Thriving

2005: Same-Sex Parents Raise Well-Adjusted Kids

Zeke Miller’s reporting (immediate launch video at link) on the behind-the-scenes finagling that resulted in the GOP platform, including this tough passage:

At the full gathering, Washington, D.C. delegate Rachel Hoff, the first openly gay member of the committee, introduced an amendment to rewrite the GOP’s language on same-sex marriage to allow for a range of view-points on the issue, as opposed to the strong rejecting in the initial draft. “All I ask today is that you include me and people like me,” she said, fighting back tears. Hoff’s amendment failed by a roughly 3-1 margin.

55 Colleges Face Sexual Assault Investigations.

We got the number right, and that makes us feel kind of sick. There’s a map in this 2014 article.

Intro song: Parasite by Lamprey - Creative Commons (CC BY 4.0) Political Speeches from American Rhetoric Read more at

Feb 18, 2017

Episode 15 - Misinformation in the Age of Heavy Sighs -- AKA It's hard out here for a fact-checker.
Recorded 02/15/2017

ProPublica has a lot more money than they did last year due to Trump’s election. They’re spending it on staff. The New York Times had their best digital subscription numbers since 2011 in the fourth quarter of 2016.

A history of the Fairness Doctrine by PBS.

According to Pew Research, 44% of U.S. adults get news on Facebook. Most of them - 62% - aren’t looking for it there, though.

Tyler and Amanda both use feedly for news (and other stuff).

Amanda obliquely referenced this Wall Street Journal but the real story is a study out of Stanford University's History Education Group which found that the majority of students had difficulty distinguishing between paid content (so-called "fake news" and a real news item online. We haven't read all the research, but the Executive Summary is here.

Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) is tweeting to “Whomever monitors twitter" at the White House hoping in-part to meet 45 on his own platform.

Amanda made a promise this episode and she's doubling down in the Long-List. The rest of #PlatformPod will be released by the end of February, and more resources including readings of The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, and The Bill of Rights are forthcoming in March and April 2017.

Attribution because CITE YOUR (RE)SOURCES:


Full Show Notes available at And